You’ve probably heard the same stuff I have about how Mitt Romney’s wealth contributes to him being “unelectable.”
While I’m sure the teenie tiny fraction of Americans that would sooner attend an Occupy rally than buy a coffee at Starbucks would look at Mitt Romney’s wealth and say “I can’t vote for this successful businessman,” I can’t imagine why any normal, thinking American would take that view, especially when the other choice is Barack Obama.
Barack Obama’s net worth is over $10 million. I’ve checked multiple sources on this, and that seems to be a consisted low-end number.
That’s a very high net worth for someone who has never held a real job before.
Of course, the bigger issue here is that in America, why is wealth, and the accumulation of it actually considered to be a bad thing? If you think wealth is a bad thing, then you weren’t gonna support anyone but Obama anyway… because the only wealth that can be ignored by these anti-capitalist voters is the wealth of Democrats who seem to get richer while they keep the poor dependent on the government.
But really, if wealth is so bad to these people, why is Obama’s massive wealth, given his lack of ever having a real private-sector job, not an issue?
Obama worked a year at Business International Corporation after graduating from Columbia University. Is that not a REAL job?
What are the REAL WORLD jobs that Newt has held?
the first grifters
What is surprising, given the recent controversy over Obama’s membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ, is how little the Obamas apparently gave to charity — well short of the biblical 10% tithe for all seven years. In two of the years, the Obamas gave far less than 1% of their income to charity; in three of the years, they gave around 1% of their income to charity. Only in the last two years have they given substantially more as their income skyrocketed — 4.7% in 2005 and 6.1% in 2006.
speaking of “jobs” baldork how are the pole sitting and basket weaving courses coming at the jr coll?
Michelle Obama earned $12,000 in 2005 and $51,200 for serving as a director at Treehouse Foods Inc., a supplier for Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
The couple earned $2,072 in 2005 from selling 3,400 shares in Avi Biopharma Inc., a Portland, Oregon- based drug company that was working on a treatment for avian flu.
They claimed a loss of $15,208 on the sale of 2,500 shares of Skyterra Communications Inc., a Reston, Virginia-based satellite communications company. The company’s major investors included four friends and donors who raised more than $150,000 for his campaign committees, the New York Times reported a year ago.
Tithing is no longer required. Moreover, if one gives anonymously as suggested in the bible you would not be able to take the money off your taxes.
The students are struggling in the basket weaving class. They made the same simple pre-made baskets over and over in high school, mostly with the teachers help. I demonstrated more complex baskets, involving soaking and more delicate materials and the students refuse to spend the needed time. They put off the soaking of the materials until the last minute and are surprised the needed flexibility isn’t there when they go to weave the basket. Then they ask why I haven’t explained how to make the same baskets they made in high school. I tell them employers don’t pay middle class wages for people to construct pre-made baskets. Those can be done in China.
LOL
I may need one @ easter
Romney has never created anything except wealth.
That may be technically correct, Mitch, but the stockholders and employees of Steel Dynamics about 2 miles from my house would take issue with you.
For that matter, the United States might not even exist were it not for private wealth.
Bmitch/bwany is dat you?
A whole year? WOW! And the rest of us have to work a lifetime just to own a home and achieve middle class status.
Now let’s get to wealth. There isn’t one person on this blog or in the 90% who wouldn’t eat dirt to have 250 million dollars. Good for Mitt and good for anyone who went out and made a vast fortune on their own. And all this howling about Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts………….I dream of having them!
Chrissy
If you have to work a lifetime to own a home maybe you should buy a smaller home. Maybe you did not work hard enough in high school and picked a poor choice of major in college. I don’t know, but Obama is the one living the American dream.
Matt said Obama never worked a real job. I disproved him and challenged posters on this blog to describe Newt’s real job. Matt is not supporting the businessman nor the medical doctor nor the lawyer. He is supporting a politician who made all of his money via leveraging public service.
LOLzer Bardolf. One year and they paid him how much?? I am sure they knew one day he would occupy the white house so they gave him an exhorbitant salary?
As far as Mitt is concerned, it is not his wealth that makes him unacceptable to many folks. It is his history of doing anything and saying anything in an attempt to be all things to everyone.
You say he has changed, I say he hasn’t.
The point is Obama had a REAL job before law school, community service and politics. Newt did not.
Ron Paul was a medical doctor who assisted in thousands of births and was drafted in the military for his medical skills. But he is a racist loon so let’s vote for the RINO’s.
baldork
it is not the Fig (newt) who is playing class warfare it is barry and the Mooch.
typical lefty deflect from the real argument. alinsky 101
But he is a
racistloon so let’s vote for the RINO’s.RINOS ? LOONS? marxist muslin usurpers ?
choices choices.
baldork
The former Georgia Republican congressman, who now lives in Virginia, holds no fewer than 25 current titles, positions, and occupations, according to a review of public records and filings as well as his various official biographies.
to Ochimpy’s 1 AA “job” LOL
Oh
and the Mooches $350,000.00 AA political hack “job”
Neoconehead
The Newt got destroyed in the conservative press for playing class warfare.
bardolf: I loved working. I would have worked until I was 90 if cancer hadn’t got in the way. I love my home, my tennis courts, my swimming pools, my stables, my 8 garages full of classic cars. Newt worked. Why criticize Newt when you don’t criticize Obama?
PS: I was just kidding about the stables.
Chrissy
I don’t know why Matt needs to pretend that Obama deserves his money less than Newt. This REAL job schtick is liberal thinking. Public jobs are jobs, CEO is a job, soldier is a job, … Separating people according to races or what kind of work they do etc. Deciding something as REAL work and demeaning other work is better left to the left.
Baldork
how did a mulatto muslim bastard kid end up affording to to go to Harvard?
MUSLIM/ commie handlers and benefactors.
and books written for him by terrorists, land deals with mobsters, and fake AA jobs for the wookie.
where are BOTH of their law licenses eh?
Neo
1. Mulatto is incorrect since he has no Latin blood. Old school ignorance.
2. In the USA your religion is the one you claim, it is not thrust upon you by birthright unless you accept it. Obama not Muslim.
3. Obama knows his dad, who himself went to Harvard, making Obama a legacy in the mold of Bush, Kerrey, Al Franken, …
4. Harvard often employs a blind admissions process wrt money. If you get in, the money is possible.
5. Again a job is a job, calling it AA is liberal talk.
6. The law licenses have been explained, you choose to not like the explanation, it is an unknown occurrence worthy of a conspiracy.
The only conspiracy I find plausible is the ghost written book.
baldork
1.Mulatto denotes a person with one white parent and one black parent, or more broadly, a person of mixed black and white ancestry.[1] Contemporary usage of the term varies greatly, and the broader sense of the term makes its application rather subjective, as not all people of mixed white and black ancestry choose to self-identify as mulatto.
2.Obama’s Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936-1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named “Hussein”.
Obama’s Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: “My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.” An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that “All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims.”
The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that “documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim” while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was “listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school.”
3. BO sr died in 1982
4. Muslim – black nationalist money
5.so is delivering news papers, the AA is how you got the “job”
6.BS they were PULLED and now sealed.
7. No GHOST a TERRORIST written book for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
1. Mulatto is from Spanish no matter what your Stormfront dictionary says.
2. If my dad declared me Muslim or my grandkids baptize me Mormon makes no difference. I am Christian and so is Obama.
3. Not a bastard.
4.Harvard is a private school that can decide which legacy applicants to accept. None of your business.
5. No proof he got jobs based on race. Just envy from white losers.
6. Your opinion.
7 maybe
baldork
WOW
1. Mulatto is from Spanish no matter what your Stormfront dictionary says.
TWO LIES in one sentence
do NOT project websites you hang out on to me, it was a wiki and a dictionary site.
the rest was refuted in 30 seconds.
Neo68
Wikipedia clearly states the term is from Spanish or Portuguese. It also says use of the term is for insensitive clods like yourself.
Whenever Stormfront is brought up you are very vigorous in your denial. Shakespeare would say ‘I think you doth protest too much”!
baldork nice try
a lie is a lie is a lie, to attempt to associate me with that site is beyond the pale.
but do tell me something about your heritage….you seem thin skinned about the proper term mulatto. Have I struck a nerve?
might explain why some dumb azz as you can be a jr college “teacher” AA??
mu·lat·to
[muh-lat-oh, -lah-toh, myoo-] Show IPA
noun, plural mu·lat·toes, mu·lat·tos.
1.
the offspring of one white parent and one black parent: not in technical use.
2.
a person whose ancestry is a mixture of Negro and caucasian.
adjective
3.
of a light-brown color.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mulatto
Holy mule bat man
Definition of MULATTO
1
: the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2
: a person of mixed white and black ancestry
See mulatto defined for English-language learners »
See mulatto defined for kids »
Origin of MULATTO
Spanish mulato, from mulo mule, from Latin mulus
First Known Use: 1593
Other Genetics Terms
chimera, hermaphrodite, plasticity
Rhymes with MULATTO
legato, spiccato, staccato
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mulatto
Neo68
Just kidding with you man. I know you are not racist, but since younger called it by so many it must be annoying to you. That makes it especially fun. Know that if I hint at you being racist it is not meant to be serious.
I am white and went to state schools all the way so no AA. In fact I have been in 4 math departments in my life and only 1 had an African American Ph.D on the faculty.
Your fine state has 16 percent population. Go to FSU or UFL math departments and tell me how many blacks on the faculty. Same holds in most of the country.
baldork
ya got got me you Turd…LOL
by the way I drink Michelob Ultra when the Fig wins Fla tomorrow.
We have to remember that dolf loves to nitpick something to death, to show off his “intellectual” identity. And, of course, to be an “intellectual” means to produce nothing but ideas, even profoundly wrong ideas. It is also about thinking that being able to look something up means to know it.
No matter what the origin of the term ‘mulatto” might be, its DEFINITION is what matters. If every word with a Latin or Latino origin is supposed to be used only regarding Latino people, that’s going to be a mess.
Gee, do you think that’s why we stopped calling black people “Negro”? ‘Cause the word comes from the Latin and Spanish word for “black”, or “negro”—pronounced “nay-gro”. ‘Cause it was only supposed to apply to black Latinos?
As for the “Stormfront” comment—repeated in case we didn’t get it—that is just more evidence of the voices in dolf’s head, which seem to tell him only particularly nasty things to say about people.
Of course, now it was just a jest, haha
dolf claims Obama is not a bastard.
Does HE have proof that Stanley Ann and Barack Sr. were ever married? Since we know that he was already married, and know there is no evidence of having divorced Wife # 1, here is a chance for academic dolf to do what academics do, and look up what other people have done, to explain how a bigamous marriage is legal.
Or he can produce proof that there was even a token marriage between Stanley Ann and Barack Sr.—-no one else has been able to find any record of any such marriage.
Perhaps this is why there is also no record of a divorce, prior to marrying Soetero.
@Amy
The stormfront comment came shortly after Mitch dropped the f-bomb racist comment on Neo68. The 68 was a sign to Neo that I was giving him the biz.
The definition of mulatto as one white parent and one black parent is meaningless since the terms ‘white parent’ and “black parent” are meaningless. Mulatto is like calling somebody a half-breed. It’s so silly that you have to be over 65 to use it.
Bastard is another antiquated insult among the geriatric set. That Obama knows who his father was, is enough in polite society.
@Neo
When mittens runs away with Florida tomorrow, I drink Sam Adams.
matt money
think the perceptual argument is not just the money but how they got it
that’s what newt is trying to pin on mitt
the median net worth of most senate/congress members is almost 10x that of the average american
half of congress is millionaire status…..5% of americans can say the same
so you can pick on obama…that’s cool…but you should pick on a few others while you’re at it
at least mitt did real business and even with his m&a rape and pillage….
newt’s dough? mostly politics, graft, glad hand, under the table stuff that you wouldn’t brag about if you did it
obama plays the same game……it’s politics as usual in the u.s.
so i’m surprised you left newt out of your money discussion here….
????
na nu na nu dork
at least mitt did real business and even with his m&a
rape and pillage….stick to what you know KID, cardboard box space ships in mamas basement.
With Romney wealth would be an issue, because Obamacare cannot be an issue. No one believes that Romneycare wouldn’t try to ‘fix’ Obamacare….when you nominate an Obama in Mitt’s clothing, the only difference would be the massive wealth, hence it becomes a defining difference.
we will know in a few days when Fla is in.
The RINO establishment has been a full court perss against Newt and for mittens.
WHY is that?
could it be they can control mitt and the fig is a REAL maverick?
The former speaker also likely draws royalties from the 23 books he has authored or co-authored, 13 of which were New York Times best-sellers, according to his office.
Gingrich, who holds a Ph.D. in modern European history, has also been active with policy think tanks and educational institutions. He is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and a visiting scholar and professor at the National Defense University.
You weren’t told: Obama’s Harvard moneyman radical muslim/Black Panther ties, tied to Saudi king
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html ^
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.
In a videotaped interview this year on New York’s all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama. (See Video Clip Below)
Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.
“I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.
“The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas,” Sutton said. “He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama.”
Sutton did not say why al-Mansour was helping Obama, how he discovered him, or from whom he was raising money on Obama’s behalf.
Khalid al-Mansour a.k.a. Don Warden
Although many Americans have never heard of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (his full name), he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.
In a 1995 book, “The Lost Books of Africa Rediscovered,” he alleged that the United States was plotting genocide against black Americans.
According to the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkley, Warden, a.k.a. Khalid al-Mansour, was the mentor of Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and his cohort, Bobby Seale.
Al-Mansour’s more recent videotaped speeches focus on Muslim themes, and abound with anti-Semitic theories and anti-Israel vitriol.
mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm
HERE is WHO bankrolled b HUSSEIN O
United States was plotting genocide against black Americans.
Leftist Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood primarily for that purpose.
http://www.dianedew.com/black.htm
matt neo
think i know m&a just a bit more than you
you’re lucky mitt didn’t get his hands on yours
or you wouldn’t have that union pension and glass of warm milk you’re sucking on
::))
nanu nanu dork
leave your alien hands off my TWO union pensions and warm milk.
however buying FAILED companies and re structuring them to profitable entities benefits all.
NEXT?
CALL us when you see Newt do this………
http://www.dakotavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obamabow.jpg
So you have TWO union pensions, Neocon; nice… you must be pro union, right?
nanu nanu
NOPE they are crooks and cheats. I had to fight them for two years to get the pittance they owed me.
They screw many many people out of their pensions while the fat cats have corporate ivory towers and corporate jets.
They are criminal organizations run by goons and thugs like Ochimpys buds.
We HAD to work union or not work at all (a closed state), one of the reasons I moved to Fla. over 32 years ago.
$400,000.00..
In 2009 the presidential salary for Barack Obama is $400 000 dollars per year.
In other words the president makes 33 333 dollars a month or 8 333 dollars a week.
The president of the United States has always been the highest paid member of the government – that means that no one working for the government has a larger income than the president.
Up until 2001 the yearly salary for president was $200 000 but thanks to a decision approved by the congress and former president Bill Clinton it was raised to 400 000 dollars.
We HAD to work union or not work at all (a closed state), one of the reasons I moved to Fla. over 32 years ago.
The Indiana House passed right-to-work legislation this past week. It’s expected to pass the Senate next week, and Governor Daniels has promised to sign it. Indiana will become the 23rd right-to-work state and the first in over a decade. The unions fought it tooth and nail, and the minority Dems in the state legislature even walked out, getting slapped with $1,000/day fines, in an effort to short circuit the legislation. With close to 80% public support, they finally gave in and agreed to a vote — which they lost.
spook
these “smart” kids dont know that, they are members of the dumbed down public education depts.and only can regurgitate what they have been trained to think like seals.
Neo do you even know who Saul Alinsky was? I mean seriously, you know nothing about him at all. He was not a communist, he was not a socialist rather he advocated a method for the poor and oppressed to improve their lot in life. His methods, btw have been lauded by members of the right and are currently being used by Newt. This claim of your is just another example of your profound ignorance, bais, racism and hatred of everything you don’t understand or disagree with. These insane claims you make about the President just underscore how misinformed you are particularly when you use dubious sources. Larry Sinclair. Gag me. Or rather you. Given a choice between voting for Obama or Himler, you’d choose the later.
Bmitch
. Given a choice between voting for Obama or Himler, you’d choose the later.
1. they BOTH hate Jews.
2. one a muslim, one used muslims to help persecute Jews.
3. They both hate America.
4. one an arion, one a mutt……..
choices choices
Bmitch
Neo do you even know who Saul Alinsky was?
barrys daddy, and hillary’s sugar daddy?
“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky
Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”
Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties…. Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.
“Obama is also an Alinskyite…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project…. Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.”
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“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” – “Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology”, in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, by William R Jones, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).
That theology accepts a perverted and wrested interpretation of Jesus Christ where it describes him as a poor black man (or man of color) living under oppressive white European rule (the Romans) and that he was as much about social change and bringing down government as he was about spiritual liberation. He therefore meets Cone’s (and adherants to this perverted view of our Savior) criteria for a God who supports their black power insurgency against what they describe as the ruling rich white men and women in America.
more here
http://www.jeffhead.com/blacklibtheology.htm
http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg
This coming from either a liar or a self admitted murderer. Righteous idignation indeed. ROFLMAO!
I see little mitchie has been reduce to another f-bomb dropping lib when he can’t have his way, can’t argue against facts and nobody is buying the latest theme of liberal BS, just like little wally.
These two are examples of the typical liberal mentality. It is pathetic and what is worse, they get to vote.
Clearly mitch has no idea of what a communist, or a socialist, IS. He can’t, and still deny Alinsky’s far Left ideology.
“…he advocated a method for the poor and oppressed to improve their lot in life…”
Oh, BS cubed. What a crock. If you want to boil it down to the basics, that is all Marx, Lenin, Engels, Mao, etc. ever wanted, as well. Just an improved “lot in life” for those “poor and oppressed”. But you are very wrong when you claim he merely wanted a method for “.. the poor and oppressed to improve their lot in life..” What he proposed was for others to do the improving for them—by confiscating and redistributing the property of others, by having those lives controlled by ruling elites because they know better than the individuals themselves what is best for them, and most of all he wrote about how this ideology can triumph over individualism and personal liberty.
His methods, btw have been lauded by members of the right and are currently being used by Newt
More crap.
I’m all for wealthy Americans, I think the tax rates on their investments should be zero so they can stimulate economic growth here in this country…….Wealthy people put there money into stocks and bonds to provide capital for the job creators, in this country…..
That is EXCEPT for those wealthy Americans who park their money in the Cayman Islands to specifically make sure that capital is NOT available to spur economic growth in this country.
Maybe the tax rate on those capital gains and investment earnings should be higher if they aren’t doing what is supposed to be done with that capital that has warranted a lower tax rate.
Maybe the tax rate on those capital gains and investment earnings should be higher if they aren’t doing what is supposed to be done with that capital that has warranted a lower tax rate.
Where do you find that in the Constitution, Doug? And are you suggesting that Romney should direct the administrator of his blind trust to put his money in certain investments and institutions? Because I think that would be illegal.
Spook, not sure what you’re saying there. I was referring to the reasons why we have a reduced rate on capital gains and dividend income. While I would prefer that money be only taxed once and have a zero rate, the issue is that when they reduced those rates it was to spur economic investment in our country.
It just so happens that when someone used the Cayman banking system it was to specifically use that capital for overseas investment earnings, to make it available there, rather than to spur economic growth here. They already said that.
All that I am suggesting is that if a law is made with a particular rationale behind it, then maybe they should take into consideration the law of unintended consequences and fix that law.
I don’t understand what the constitution has to do with that at all. They already offer domestic production tax credits, I would assume that they could easily and constitutionally alter the law to meet their stated purpose behind it.
If a blind trust administrator needs to adjust the portfolio based on different tax rates, then that is fine.
I am interested in the answer to that too. Why, in your opinion Doug, should the federal government have any say in how anyone invests thier own money?
The Cayman Island meme is getting so old already, it is no tax haven for investers fom the United States.
It is a cold day in hell folks.
GMB,
They already do. And they use tax policy to affect investors. Whether it’s dividends, capital gains, tax-free vs. non-tax free bonds. Whether it’s capital investments in equipment or investments in labor domestically vs. overseas. All of that is in the tax code, has been changed over the years, and no one has ruled any of it unconstitutional.
So, in my opinion, if they already do it and there is no chance to force them not to do it, then they should do it well, rather than do it poorly.
I don’t know if you understand my point on the Cayman Island thing…..I’m not questioning whether it’s a tax haven. What Romney has said is that they put the money there to make it available to earn higher income for themselves by having it in a place that was available for foreign companies to be able to use the capital.
Do you see? It was put there so that only foreign entities could use the capital for economic growth.
The purpose of the 15% tax rate was to spur investment to help our economy. However, the tax law ended up making it easy and profitable for people to use their capital to help foreign economies rather than our own and still get the lower tax rate that was meant to be used to help investment in our own economy.
You can get tax credits for purchases of green items, insulation, dozens of things, all of which the feds say they would like you to invest in. Then why, if the stated reason is to stimulate job creation in this country, do they have a law that allows earnings sent overseas to be taxed at the same capital gains rate? It would seem obvious to me that they messed up and probably should have left capital gains earned on foreign investments to be unchanged.
Again, it is Mr. Romney choice on what to do with his money. It already has been taxed once and will be taxed again. Enough with the taxes, this country has a spending problem.
TEA.
How much power are you willing to give the federal government over somebody elses money? If you are envious of Mr. Romney’s wealth, instead of taking it away from him, I suggest you go catch some fish of your own, go bake a pie or two of your own.
You will feel much better afterwards knowing that you have accomplished something.
The purpose of the 15% tax rate was to spur investment to help our economy. However, the tax law ended up making it easy and profitable for people to use their capital to help foreign economies rather than our own and still get the lower tax rate that was meant to be used to help investment in our own economy.
Doug, if there is a stated purpose (which a lengthy Google search has failed to find) that specifically says that, then why was it not incorporated into the law? That makes absolutely no sense. Can you cite some section or phrase from the U,S. tax code that backs up your claim?
GMB,
I don’t have a problem with Romney’s wealth, I have a problem with a tax code that isn’t fair. And just to make sure we are on the same page here and you don’t go off on a tangent, I think it’s unfair because people who earn more have to pay a higher tax rate than those who earn less.
What I don’t like about it, is that our tax code is unfair towards domestic businesses. It allows for wealthy people who just happen to have a lot of assets, to make more money investing in foreign companies because of a regulatory advantage in another country. It is not ‘free trade’. In order to give our businesses (or another way to put it, our citizens) a level playing field, we have to offset the regulatory advantages that businesses have in other countries. One way to do that is to reduce our regulation, another to reduce taxes on domestic businesses. Another is to have a lower tax rate for income produced via domestic businesses than on foreign ones.
I have no problem with a wealthy person choosing to invest their money outside the country to benefit foreign companies…..except if that person is running for President. In that particular case you have to make sure his priority is this country’s citizens and businesses and not some other country’s. However, again, why do we have a regulatory environment coupled with a tax environment that gives an advantage towards investing in foreign investments rather than domestic ones?
As much as you want to argue free and open trade, it just isn’t. Free trade would be if there was an equal opportunity to gain competitive advantage. This environment is creating the advantage through regulatory means therefore we must look towards advancing through free trade by altering either regulatory or tax practices here.
Neo, I think we found the bomber in person here. No if we could just find that tail number.
http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/MCSO-Obama-fanatic-threatens-to-kill-Arpaio-138229079.html
Say it aint so Joe, say it so! This from a Darth Flipflop supporter.
She’s good looking, but she sounds kind of dumb.
1369
the best kind
I got an interesting email today about Mitt Romney’s character.
My first thought was to check Snopes, and they say this story is true.
Sure character does count if you are a fringe, over principled, looking for the perfect candidate, person like me. That is a beatiful story Spook about a man who help rescue an employees child.
However if that character should count as a plus for Mr. Romney why should the character trait of changing so many positions not count?
I don’t need to explain these away. One hundred and two (102) examples of Mr. Romney saying or doing opposites on the exact same subject.
http://www.multiplechoicemitt.com/
Waddayamean? It’s the Republican way. They invent Cap n Trade, now they hate it. They invent the healthcare mandate, now they hate it. They hate voter fraud and then.. Iowa! They hated bailing out GM WHILE they were doing it by executive order, no Congress necessary.
Who better to represent them than Romney? Gingrich, who did commercials with Pelosi? Bwahaha!
That is a great story about Romney, and gives me another reason to feel better about my support for him, but unfortunately the only way in which a highly principled voter could support Romney is if he would have emerged from the womb with steadfast conservative principles having taken the right position on every issue and having never once wavered. That is the sign of a true conservative, right GMB?
Womb to Tomb principles!!! Any second thoughts or introspection is just weakness!
Even Ronald Reagan was a Democrat at one point.
blowzo
sounds like YOU invented everything you just posted……
Straw man city, here. No one with a “real job” ever made ten million dollars like Obozo. Ever.
“Real GOOD jobs” pay $30 a hour, times 40 hours a week times 50 weeks a year. That’s $60,000 a year…not bad if you can get it, right?
Subract 25% taxes, and that leaves $45,000. It would take 44 years if you saved FIFTY PERCENT of everything you made to amass a single million dollar savings account. Used to be a house would help build wealth, but now it can kill wealth as good as make it. Don’t have kids, don’t get sick, don’t drive a nice car, or there goes the million.
That’s a very high net worth for someone who has never held a real job before. Uh, no. That would be an extremely high net worth for someone WITH a real job.
bozo,
Well once again I am unable to wade through your brain damage and really have no idea what you meant in this post, although I am pretty sure it entails the usual pity party for those “suffering” Americans because I know how much you care. But maybe you can repost in English so that one could properly comment. Any chance of that?
Blowzo
No one with a “real job” ever made ten million dollars like Obozo. Ever.
BINGO….
The other day Mitch and I got on the topic of religion and I contended that atheism takes a greater leap of Faith than anything I could imagine – well I came across this definition of atheism which I think is spot on:
Atheism
The belief that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything, then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
Sound about right?
Here is the relevant part of that quote by Hoyle:
“If you stir up simple nonorganic molecules like water, ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide and hydrogen cyanide with almost any form of intense energy … some of the molecules reassemble themselves into amino acids … demonstrated … by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey. The … building blocks of proteins can therefore be produced by natural means. But this is far from proving that life could have evolved in this way. No one has shown that the correct arrangements of amino acids, like the orderings in enzymes, can be produced by this method. …. A junkyard contains all the bits and pieces of a Boeing 747, dismembered and in disarray. A whirlwind happens to blow through the yard. What is the chance that after its passage a fully assembled 747, ready to fly, will be found standing there? So small as to be negligible, even if a tornado were to blow through enough junkyards to fill the whole Universe.” (Hoyle, F., “The Intelligent Universe,” Michael Joseph: London, 1983, pp.18-19).
Obombas war has started……..
‘Kill the Police’: Cops Arrest Hundreds of Occupy Oakland Protestors After Street Clashes
Rubber bullets, tear gas, and lots of baton
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Im with HIM!!
Allen West to Obama, Reid, Pelosi: ‘Get the Hell Out of the United States of America’
“Yeah I said ‘hell.’”
Camon Allen RUN !!!
Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else,” he continued. “You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America.”
As the audience cheered and many rose to their feet, West added, “Yeah I said ‘hell.’”
“This is not about 1 percent or 99 percent. This is about 100 percent. It’s about 100 percent America. And I will not stand back and watch anyone defame, degrade or destroy that which my father fought for, my older brother, my father-in-law, myself, my nephew and all my friend still in uniform,” he said.
“I will not allow President Obama to take the United States of America and destroy it. If that means I’m the No. 1 target for the Democrat Party, all I got to say is one thing: Bring it on, baby.”
OOH RAH….Semper Fi, DO or DIE!!!
Newt Gingrich Gets Endorsement from Herman Cain
Hmmmmm look familiar??
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ODC-Alf2.jpg
notice the red bandana and gang signs being flashed…..
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/flag1-620×362.jpg
matt neo
i love reading your posts……
you really need a late nite talk show
but that’s right…you’re in bed by 8:30
spooning with newt and callista
lovely thought…..
::))
nanu nanu dork
and you with Ochimpy, the mooch, larry sinclair and reggie (buddy) Loooove.
talk about an Oreo cookie.
Bagni,
Why is it that 99% of your comments are about others on this blog? Is it simply because you have a very small mind?
“Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events; and great minds discuss ideas.”
spook
Is it simply because you have a very small mind?
among other things… LOL
http://bigjournalism.com/jsexton/2012/01/29/new-york-times-fails-to-mention-gingrich-was-cleared-of-ethics-charges/
js
gee imagine that?
WOW holy Moroni
Allen West being redistricted out of existence in effort led by Romney Florida spokesman
by William A. Jacobson Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 9:40am
GMB
“If this is what the conservative movement has become, then count me out”
I finaly have an embedable version of Mark Levin’s comments yesterday about the attacks on Newt.
It is a sad commentary on the damage people have done in the name of electing Mitt Romney. Add it to the list.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/if-this-is-what-the-conservative-movement-has-become-then-count-me-out/
Neo, Levin should have rephrased his comment. He should have replaced “conservative” with “republican”.
It is becoming ever more clear that there is no room within the repub party for conservatives any more. The repubs prefer the Mitts,Snows,Collins,Browns,Castles,Scazzafavas,Kirks,Smiths, Murkowski types over the TEA Party types.
Cocktails at 9pm or 10pm?
GMB
make it 10:00
Bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha Hellloooooooo McFly ?????
Children just aren’t going to know what sun is [Global Cooling?]
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | January 29, 2012 | By James Delingpole
There’s a great piece by David Rose in the Mail On Sunday nicely summing up what a lot of us here knew already: that the thing we really need to fear right now is not global warming but global cooling. And that, on current evidence, it’s global cooling we’re going to get.
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SUNY Canton professor says behaviorism could help solve global warming
matt spook
i’m just pointing out, glamorizing and celebrating the smallness all around
and neo’s responses to most comments are proof of that
this would be your opportunity to defend his posts as intelligent, insightful, respectful, kind, non racist, non hypocritical
please….go for it…..the world is watching and waiting
::))
matt spook
the point is
it’s almost impossible to discuss ideas or events with this crowd
first because unless you’re one of the 6 individuals posting you’re labeled as a cretin
second most discussions fall into neo’esque people driven barbed responses
technically…..i’m just following his lead
::))
it’s quite entertaining to visit here
but i do miss mark….at least he had some respect for fellow humans no matter where they came from
Neo = the ANTI troll
nanu nanu dork
, kind, non racist, non hypocritical
didnt take long…….
BAM
http://th36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/imcoollikefonzi/th_Don_tLeaveHomeWithoutIt.jpg
ME TOO
Jesse Jackson Says Gov. Brewer ‘Gave President Obama the Finger’
and one to je$$e
And EVERY site needs an ANTI troll.
I seem to remember when Bush was called everything but a white man from all liberals. Now when even liberals call Obama not much of a black man the liberals cheer and their hair blows gently in the wind. But don’t you dare call Obama not much of a black man if you are white….oh no..that is racist.
I don’t care what color Obama is….he is a liar, a fraud, an assassin, and a cold blooded murderer. He is a baby killer, a war monger, and the Libya campaign was ALL about oil. I don’t see those “oh so caring” liberals give a rat’s about the thousands of innocent Libyan children burned in their beds. The million or so displaced and 30 towns destroyed. Give it up…….your Obama is just another Bush minus the assassinations. And if Obama was white you would have had him impeached by now.
Here’s a guess, one I feel very comfortable making.
Mark does not miss you.
And neither would we.
BTW, you’ve never tried to “discuss ideas or events” but have just engaged in foolish, inane, infantile silliness in a desperate attempt to appear darling and pweshuss.
It is starting to look like most of the Mitt supporters support him because they cant stand Newt. It is starting to look like most of the Newt supporters support him because they cant stand Mitt. Isnt there anyone anybody supports because of who he and not who he isnt?
kinda reminds you of Hillary and Barack doesn’t it?
Has Mitt ever had a “real” job? I bet he’s never worked with his hands his entire life. . .
I don’t consider capital investment to be a “real job”, especially the kind of vulture capitalism that Rmoney engaged in.
And you’re missing the point. Obama pays taxes at twice the rate of Rmoney, even though makes MUCH less (and works MUCH harder).
But I’m not upset that a corporation like Mitt Rmoney wants to be considered a person, even though he doesn’t resemble one at all. . .
moreBSthanu
. Obama pays taxes at twice the rate of Rmoney, DUHHH!!
even though makes MUCH less not bad for never having a job
(and works MUCH harder). vacations, golf, and campaigns easy stuff.
Oh, do give it a rest. Not even you can be that dumb.
First of all, who says a “real” job has to be working with your hands? Is running a business a real job? Being a doctor? Teaching?
When conservatives talk about Barry not having a real job, we are talking about being a community agitator not being a real job in that it is purely political, and produces nothing. His law firm “job” was a gimme, a political favor, and he did scut work any paralegal could have done and probably did do after he put in his year.
Your use of the term “vulture capitalism” is a sure tipoff of your RRL identity, even without the stupidity of the rest of your post. The cutsie-wutsie wittle name is another.
Go right ahead and dismiss venture capitalism as not a “real” job. But it is. It is the evaluation of businesses, the sponsorship of potentially good businesses, the investment in those businesses, the overseeing and management of those businesses, and when all goes well it produces a return on the investment.
You clearly have no idea of how capitalism in general works, much less investment capitalism.
You also seem intent on simply denying the fact of the difference between tax on earned income and tax on return on investment. It’s been explained here many times, and in many other places as well, so you either lack the intellect to grasp the difference or the honesty to admit it.
And to top it all off the “corporations are people” lie that only the very stupidest of the stupid are willing to keep spewing.
Amazona: “Clearly mitch has no idea of what a communist, or a socialist, IS. He can’t, and still deny Alinsky’s far Left ideology.”
Amazona: “Your use of the term ‘vulture capitalism’ is a sure tipoff of your RRL identity,..”
Actually it was Rick Perry who brought the term “vulture capitalist” front and center in describing Mitt Romney. And I don’t think it’s shorthand for “venture capitalism” which nobody I know resents. Rather it’s used in opposition to it, to describe the leveraged buyout kind of capitalism Romney became more involved with later.
Mitt’s 2008 op-ed for the NYT saying “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” was a strong clue. Allow an entity to lose nearly all its worth so “vultures” can pick it up for pennies on the dollar. Pare away nearly all the employees that once supported their families working for it, recreate it as an entirely new entity employing a fraction the former labor force, but make a large profit relative to the capital invested and voila, you have a small handful of much richer people and a slew of people a whole lot poorer. That’s not venture capitalism, that’s vulture capitalism as I understand it.
With the government’s auto industry rescue, contrary to Mitt’s prescription many more of those jobs were preserved and a critical American industry was resuscitated. The term “vulture capitalism” refers to the scenario that didn’t happen in that case.
dennis is spot on when it comes to explaining the successes of Bain Capital.
It’s more of a crap shoot. If you can buy companies for pennies on the dollar and you sell them for nickels on the dollar you look really good. Of course, you just used your skills to convince someone to sell something for less than what it’s worth so you could sell it for a profit, but still less than it’s worth.
Coincidently, Bain is hired by companies to do valuations of their companies……..hmmmm like leading a fox to the henhouse.
dennistooge and dummydoug the dumb and dumber of the trolls.
Ama described alinsky to a T, as well as venture capitalism.
So the solution to poorly run business further handicapped by outrageous union demands and social-engineering government regulations is not to let it fail and then rebuild on stronger economic foundations and principles, but to use OPM to strip the investors of their equity and hand over the company to unions to repay them for their political support?
Nice Marxist touch, there, comparing people who buy up failing businesses (which are, as you clearly fail to understand, failing for a reason) to fix what is wrong with them, to “vultures”. You obviously have the same lack in understanding of carrion eaters as you do of economics. When a vulture eats something, it is gone. When people buy up failed or failing businesses to fix the things that made them fail in the first place, they usually manage to revive the businesses on more economically sound footings, if this can be done at all, and then provide jobs for the people who would be out of work if there was not a newly revived business to provide them.
You silly rant strings together three assumptions.
(1) Pare away nearly all the employees that once supported their families working for it:
(2) recreate it as an entirely new entity employing a fraction the former labor force
(3) but make a large profit relative to the capital invested
Funny how you overlook the fact that GM, once its stock had been stripped away from investors and turned over to the unions, went ahead and declared bankruptcy anyway, and rebuilt exactly the way they would have without the feds stepping in to feed off the sick company to benefit the unions. The company could have done this anyway, with the same end result, except for the ownership of equity in the company, which had been transferred to pay off political debt.
It looks like it was Obama and the feds who were the vultures here, and Romney was right: Allowing the company to follow the natural path of poor management and federal interference would have resulted in the same rebuilding of the company, but with the investors not losing their equity.
And BTW, those who buy up these failing companies risk their own capital to do so, and sometimes lose it. Why are they not supposed to profit when, by their own investment and their own skill and their own talent and their own labor they manage to pull the fat out of the fire and make these businesses viable?
Allowing the company to follow the natural path of poor management and federal interference would have resulted in the same rebuilding of the company, but with the investors not losing their equity.
And I would add, not standing 2 centuries of bankruptcy law on it’s ear as the actions of the Obama administration did. Our Indiana State Treasurer, Richard Mourdock, who is running in the primary this spring to unseat 6-term Senator Richard Lugar, was at the forefront of the federal lawsuit against the illegal actions of the Obama administration in the GM and Chrysler bailouts, in which the Indiana State Teachers, firefighters and police pension funds were invested in Chrysler preferred bonds, and the Unions were put in line in front of them. IIRC, the federal court actually ruled in the bond-holders favor, but it was too late to reverse the damage that had been done.
Matt, your post does raise the interesting question, seeing as who we are running against – What would the risks be in voting for someone like Romney if he were to come out ahead in Tuesday’s primary? As you point out, the anti-Capitalists are going to vote Obama, because that keeps their “wealth” for undesirable habits flowing in. And I would add, that a greater percentage of them are going to vote for Obama as they were fed a steady diet of garbage in the majority of our public schools and universities, as that’s how we got Obama in the first place. I mean, what do we expect when there have been so many people come from that brainwashed background to then become the news-makers, the politicians, the school teachers, public organizers (like Obama) who speak to millions of people feeding them the same bottle of poison that has been fed to the last four and half generations. One generation after the other, from school year to school year, graduation to graduation, people come out of the public educational system with their minds poisoned, and spreading the cancer to the eventual collapse of our society. All I can say is, we are in serious trouble, and it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If Obama gets re-elected, this country will be unrecognizable within the next few, short four years that he is in office. The lawmakers (Czars) he has put into place have already done great damage and harm to our time honored Constitution, and he is undermining our freedoms day-by-day. Be prepared for an upheaval!
Mitt’s 2008 op-ed for the NYT saying “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” was a strong clue. Allow an entity to lose nearly all its worth so “vultures” can pick it up for pennies on the dollar. – dennis
Well once again dennis, you display very poor understanding of reality, choosing instead to live inside the sensitive, ignorant liberal bubble. Bankruptcy laws are specifically designed for such instances and allows a company a temporary reprieve from creditors so that they can reformulate their business plan and renegotiate all contracts with labor, suppliers, etc. in an effort to emerge back on the market and regain profitability. In fact the NY Times, not exactly a conservative medium, supported bankruptcy for the airlines following 9/11:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/14/business/airline-bailout-fails-to-do-the-job-some-experts-say.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Do you think the NY Times supports “vulture capitalism”??
The other fact is that the bail out just kicked the can down the street. GM still owes tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, the Volt is a disaster, and union legacy costs still adversely impact the bottom line.
cluster
the truth is lost on leftist ideologues and fools.
From Jack Torry at the Columbus Dispatch:
“Even before votes had been counted in the South Carolina presidential primary between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, a senior Ohio Republican e-mailed a colleague: “I would hope that our congressmen soon bury the Newt surge. He would be a disaster as a candidate and would pull the entire ticket down.”
That e-mail lifts the veil about the current mood of Ohio Republicans. To say they have the jitters about Gingrich being their nominee does not quite capture it. Mortal terror might be closer to reality.
They not only see the state slipping back into the hands of President Barack Obama but also figure they can forget about Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel defeating Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio. And, just to make matters even scarier for the Republicans, they could lose the U.S. House.
“I think it would be very difficult for him to carry Ohio in the fall,” said one Republican who spoke only on condition of anonymity. “It would be clear we would lose (House) seats if Gingrich were the nominee. I still think we would hold the House, albeit by a smaller margin.”
Why such angst about Gingrich? After all, he is a former speaker of the U.S. House, the man who led the Republicans out of the wilderness to seize control of the House in 1994.
During his four years as speaker, the House and President Bill Clinton agreed to a sweeping overhaul of the welfare system, cut the tax on capital gains and enacted a children’s health-insurance program and a budget that led to four years of federal surpluses.
Clinton and Gingrich are both talented politicians who, when they weren’t playing politics, could forge the type of compromises that helped the country. Both are gifted public speakers who connect with their audiences as they confidently describe public policy in ways the average voter can understand.
But those results often are obscured by the Gingrich sideshows, which range from the comical to the embarrassing.
Try a few: At the time the House Republicans were impeaching Clinton in 1997 for lying about a sexual relationship with a White House intern, Gingrich apparently was having his own affair with a House staffer, who later become his third wife.
There was the time in 1995 when Gingrich publicly whined about being forced to ride at the rear of Air Force One instead of near the front of the jet with Clinton.
In 1997, the House voted 395-28 to reprimand Gingrich and fine him $300,000 for violations of House ethics rules. And in 1998, House Republicans, weary of the Gingrich style, deposed him as speaker.
“Newt is the best idea man and the best at articulating those ideas of anyone running,” said Robert T. Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party. “For every 10 ideas he has, five of them are pretty good, but three of them are disasters that he hasn’t thought through,” he said, adding that Gingrich “lacks the capacity for self-discipline.”
For Ohio Republicans, though, the Romney alternative has yet to catch on. Yes, Sen. Rob Portman has endorsed Romney. But much of the GOP establishment has remained relatively quiet, in part because a number of Republicans have little love for Brett Buerck. The former aide to onetime Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder is helping Romney’s campaign in Ohio.
“Clearly in Ohio there are concerns from even people who have endorsed Romney about Brett Buerck’s influence in the Romney campaign,” grumbled one Republican.
Then, of course, few Republicans have been dazzled by Romney’s tepid performance in most of the debates. “Gingrich scares the daylights out of (Republicans),” said Gerald Austin, a Democratic consultant in Cleveland. “But so does Romney. He’s showing he ain’t ready for prime time.”
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Uh, Robin, just a friendly tip here—you might want to get some actual FACTS about this much-vaunted “reprimand” of Gingrich.
Hint: It was NOT for “violation of House ethics rules” and BTW, the $300,000 was NOT a “fine”.
The Semantic Infiltration tactics of the Left have everyone repeating the often-subtle but very important distortions of fact they spoon-feed the Complicit Agenda Media and get into common usage merely through repetition. If you’re going to quote or cite a member of the Complicit Agenda Media, you need to be prepared to have your citation ignored, and also to be branded with the same accusation of being dishonest. (What we call ‘lying’.)
I’m not a Newt supporter, but am tired of lies and distortions making up so much of what is said about him. (Ditto, by the way, about Romney.) If an argument can’t be made on fact, it shouldn’t be made. Or listened to.
House Reprimands, Penalizes Speaker
By John E. Yang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 22 1997; Page A01
The House voted overwhelmingly yesterday to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and order him to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House’s 208-year history it has disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.
The ethics case and its resolution leave Gingrich with little leeway for future personal controversies, House Republicans said. Exactly one month before yesterday’s vote, Gingrich admitted that he brought discredit to the House and broke its rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information.
“Newt has done some things that have embarrassed House Republicans and embarrassed the House,” said Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.). “If [the voters] see more of that, they will question our judgment.”
House Democrats are likely to continue to press other ethics charges against Gingrich and the Internal Revenue Service is looking into matters related to the case that came to an end yesterday.
The 395 to 28 vote closes a tumultuous chapter that began Sept. 7, 1994, when former representative Ben Jones (D-Ga.), then running against Gingrich, filed an ethics complaint against the then-GOP whip. The complaint took on greater significance when the Republicans took control of the House for the first time in four decades, propelling Gingrich into the speaker’s chair.
With so much at stake for each side — the survival of the GOP’s speaker and the Democrats’ hopes of regaining control of the House — partisanship strained the ethics process nearly to the breaking point.
All but two of the votes against the punishment were cast by Republicans, including Rep. Roscoe G. Bartlett (Md.), many of whom said they believed the sanction — especially the financial penalty — was too severe.
Two Democrats, Reps. Earl F. Hilliard (Ala.) and Gene Taylor (Miss.), voted against the punishment. Taylor said the measure should have specified that the $300,000 come from personal funds, not campaign coffers or a legal expense fund. Hilliard did not return telephone calls.
In addition, five Democrats voted “present,” many of them saying they believed the sanction was not severe enough. “If Newt Gingrich did what they said he did, he should have been censured,” said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), one of the five who voted “present.” A censure, second only in severity to expulsion, would have threatened Gingrich’s speakership.
House ethics committee members took pride in yesterday’s bipartisan resolution of the case. “We have proved to the American people that no matter how rough the process is, we can police ourselves, we do know right from wrong,” said Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.), who headed the investigative subcommittee that charged Gingrich.
But even as they brought the case to a close, committee Republicans and Democrats traded potshots over the chaos of the last two weeks, during which an agreement for lengthy televised hearings collapsed amid partisan bickering.
The ethics case added to the last congressional session’s fierce partisanship, as Democrats sought to embarrass House Republicans with it in last year’s elections. Lawmakers in both parties said they hope the vote to punish Gingrich will help ease those tensions.
“If our action today fails to chasten this body and bring a halt to the crippling partisanship and animosity that has surrounded us, then we will have lost an opportunity,” said Rep. Nancy L. Johnson (R-Conn.), ethics committee chairman.
Similarly, President Clinton, when asked about the matter, said: “The House should do its business and then we should get back to the people’s business.”
For Gingrich, it was another humbling event in a remarkable series of peaks and valleys since 1994. That year, he led his party to the promised land of control of the House and Senate, only to threaten it when he was blamed for two partial government shutdowns during the battle over the budget, making him seem reckless. Then he complained about his treatment on a long flight aboard Air Force One, making him seem petty. The GOP narrowly retained its House majority last November, giving him a brief reprieve. The next month, he admitted to the charges brought by the ethics subcommittee.
The speaker was barely visible yesterday, staying away from the House floor during the 90-minute debate and vote on his punishment. He was in his office and did not watch the proceedings on television, according to spokeswoman Lauren Maddox. Gingrich left late yesterday afternoon for a two-day GOP House leadership retreat at Airlie Farm and Conference Center in Fauquier County, Va. As he left, he was asked if he was glad the case was over. He smiled broadly and said “yes.”
House Democrats had considered trying to force a vote yesterday on reconsidering Gingrich’s Jan. 7 reelection as speaker — the first for a Republican in 68 years — but decided against it, fearing it would distract from the harsh punishment being meted out. In addition, Democrats believe enough damaging information has been presented to tarnish the speaker, Democratic leadership aides said.
“This is not a vote on whether Mr. Gingrich should remain speaker,” said Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin (Md.), the ethics panel’s top Democrat in the Gingrich case. “In the days and weeks to come, Mr. Gingrich and each member of this House should consider how these charges bear on the question of his speakership.”
In a strongly worded report, special counsel James M. Cole concluded that Gingrich had violated tax law and lied to the investigating panel, but the subcommittee would not go that far. In exchange for the subcommittee agreeing to modify the charges against him, Gingrich agreed to the penalty Dec. 20 as part of a deal in which he admitted guilt.
Johnson called the reprimand and financial penalty “tough and unprecedented. It is also appropriate,” she said. “No one is above the rules of the House.”
The ethics committee that handled the charges against Gingrich went out of business at midnight last night without resolving complaints that the speaker received improper gifts, contributions and support from GOPAC, the political action committee he once headed. House Democrats are likely to submit those charges to the new ethics committee.
In addition, the Internal Revenue Service is looking into the use of tax-deductible charitable contributions to finance the college course Gingrich taught, which was at the center of the ethics case, and the ethics committee is making the material it gathered available to the tax agency.
At a closed-door meeting of House Republicans yesterday morning, the speaker noted his agreement to accept the sanction, which the ethics committee approved on a 7 to 1 vote Friday night, and said he wanted to get the matter behind him, according to lawmakers who attended.
Many House Republicans said they had trouble reconciling their leaders’ characterization of Gingrich’s rules violations as tantamount to a jaywalking ticket and the magnitude of the penalty. “That argument loses its steam [when] you talk about $300,000,” said Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.).
Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) said that had he known what was in the ethics committee’s report, he would not have voted for Gingrich as speaker. “The gray got grayer when you read the report,” he said. “When I think of my three boys and what kind of example I want to set for them for leadership in this country, gray is not the example.”
But some lawmakers said the $300,000 financial penalty, described as a reimbursement to the ethics committee for the additional cost Gingrich caused it when he gave it false information, was too severe.
“I was willing to swallow hard and vote for the reprimand, but when they add the $300,000 assessment . . . that’s excessive,” said House Government Reform and Oversight Committee Chairman Dan Burton (R-Ind.), one of three committee chairmen to vote against the punishment.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.), who cast the lone dissenting vote on the ethics committee, said of Gingrich’s violations: “They are real mistakes but they shouldn’t be hanging offenses.”
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) gave a spirited speech calling the penalty unwarranted. Answering those who said a speaker should be held to a higher standard of ethical conduct, DeLay said: “The highest possible standard does not mean an impossible standard no American could possibly reach.” He closed by declaring: “Let’s stop this madness, let’s stop the cannibalism.”
The last phrase echoed the May 31, 1989, resignation speech of House Speaker Jim Wright (D-Tex.), who called on lawmakers “to bring this period of mindless cannibalism to an end.” Wright resigned in an ethics scandal triggered by a complaint filed by Gingrich.
Despite the partisanship that surrounded the Gingrich ethics case for more than two years, DeLay’s speech provided the only spark of yesterday’s debate. With Gingrich willing to accept the punishment, the outcome was never in doubt.
Still, more lawmakers were on the floor than for the average House debate; many of them were reading Cole’s report. Rep. Doug Bereuter (R-Neb.), presiding over the debate, took the unusual step of reading aloud from the House rule that admonishes lawmakers to “maintain an atmosphere of mutual respect” at all times.
As they have since Gingrich publicly admitted to the charges Dec. 21, Republicans sought to minimize the speaker’s misdeeds while Democrats tried to make them more sinister.
Rep. Steven Schiff (R-N.M.), a member of the ethics investigative subcommittee that charged Gingrich, called the speaker’s submission of false information to the panel “a comedy of errors.” But Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called it a “violation of trust. . . . We trust each other that we will deal truthfully with each other.”
Republicans also sought to portray the question of using charitable donations to finance projects that appeared to have a political intent as a matter of unsettled tax law. But Rep. Thomas C. Sawyer (D-Ohio), a member of the ethics panel, countered that “ethical behavior may be more important when the lines are blurred than when they are clear.”
Rep. Jim McDermott (Wash.), who had been the ethics panel’s top Democrat, was among those who voted “present.”
He withdrew from the Gingrich case last week after being implicated in the leaking of a tape recording of a telephone conference call involving the speaker, which Republicans said was illegally made.
McDermott did not return telephone calls.
More forker out of this world fantasy and BS
That came from the Columbus Dispatch neocon not from TDBDP. When are you gpoing to stop playing the village redneck idiot and actually try to discuss issues and seek solutions? Oh I’m sorry that’s right you can’t because you are such an old bigot that to do that might let some sunlight in on your brain. I’ve always wondered what the dinosaurs felt when they finally realized they were all going to be wiped out. Seeing your ignorant ill-logic regarding all things Progressive now i understand. Your dumb kind is being replaced though not quickly enough for me and you clearly can’t outbreed black or browns or liberals so your far right nonsense will be gone like you will be in the next generation or so. I take a bit of comfort there.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/01/why-are-obamas-critics-so-dumb.html
Are you quoting Andrew Sullivan – the “conservative”??
LMAO
Andrew Sullivan IS a conservative. What he is not is an extremist radical who scoffs and sneers and any deviation from movement “conservative” dogma. He is not a person who is obsessed with pointing out inconsequential short-comings and failures. The link was to Bill Maher, who is liberal, progressive and a libertarian. The facts speak for themselves and no matter how much you all here try to deride the president and his accomplishments no one is paying any attention to what you all say; other than yourselves. So reinforce your opinions and exclude reality when it creates a conflict with what you want to be and what is. The facts are, he did lower taxes and it was under his presidency that allot of bad guys have been killed. Including Bin Laden.
He might have this confused with the many articles on why-are-obama-supporters-so-dumb.
The article that mitch seems to find so compelling is in the same category as the just-thinking-about-eating-meat-makes-people-mean-and-convinced-that-they-are-superior articles that impress his kind.
Still no defense of the claim that Obama NEVER worked a real job.
Obama worked a year at Business International Corporation after graduating from Columbia University.
Maybe Amy can provide a rational why working at Business International is not a real job or how many years before never becomes some.
One Year!!! Hell if that’s the case, I qualify for any position then. Good to know.
Was this post a joke barstool? Are you actually touting Obama’s private sector experience based on one year of employment?
@Clueless
once you have to qualify things with “private sector” and “one year” you have lost the argument. Colin Powell was career military but would make a fine president. Are you going to argue that the military is a private sector job? Again that 1 year private sector experience is 1 MORE than Newt.
@Amy
Obama has 1 year more in the private sector than Newt. That doesn’t impress me with Obama, it makes me wonder at Matt’s support for Newt. It seems the mark of a partisan hack to apply a more stringent standard to your opponent than to yourself. If having a REAL JOB was important to Matt for Obama it should be so for Newt as well.
Golly, you found an ex co-worker that says Obama embellished. Newt has an ex-wife that says Newt is a dishonest pig. Since
In the real world, most people have envious co-workers but not spiteful ex-wives claiming they wanted open marriages. Congratulations, once again you have shown that Newt is unfit for office.
@dbschmidt
If you pay social security, you have a real job. If you pay income taxes, you have a real job. If you earn enough money to support yourself without committing a crime, you have a real job.
Newt as a politician=real job. Mitt as venture capitalist=real job. Colin Powell as career military=real job. Obama as politician, lawyer, whatever=real job.
So what exactly did Barry DO at this “job” which evidently has made such an impression on you?
BTW, you may (or may not) care that I was not the person who used the phrase. I merely came in later with a comment on being a community agitator paid with government funds not being much of a job.
OK—the ball’s in your court. Now is the time for you to snout around in archives and posts to dig up verbatim comments so you can quibble and nitipick this to shreds. It’s what you do. If you can obsess over the miniscule you can pretend you are participating in a discussion instead of actually contributing anything to it.
How about a real, rational, fact-based discussion of Obama’s real job history, what he did and how well he did it and how it prepared him for the Presidency?
From a New York Times article, written by JANNY SCOTT:
Published: October 30, 2007, about Obama:
Some say he has taken some literary license in the telling of his story. Dan Armstrong, who worked with Mr. Obama at Business International Corporation in New York in 1984 and has deconstructed Mr. Obama’s account of the job on his blog, analyzethis.net, wrote: “All of Barack’s embellishment serves a larger narrative purpose: to retell the story of the Christ’s temptation. The young, idealistic, would-be community organizer gets a nice suit, joins a consulting house, starts hanging out with investment bankers, and barely escapes moving into the big mansion with the white folks.”
In an interview, Mr. Armstrong added: “There may be some truth to that. But in order to make it a good story, it required a bit of exaggeration.”
Mr. Armstrong’s description of the firm, and those of other co-workers, differs at least in emphasis from Mr. Obama’s. It was a small newsletter-publishing and research firm, with about 250 employees worldwide, that helped companies with foreign operations (they could be called multinationals) understand overseas markets, they said. Far from a bastion of corporate conformity, they said, it was informal and staffed by young people making modest wages. Employees called it “high school with ashtrays.”
Many workers dressed down. Only the vice president in charge of Mr. Obama’s division got a secretary, they said. Mr. Obama was a researcher and writer for a reference service called Financing Foreign Operations. He also wrote for a newsletter, Business International Money Report.
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After about a year, he was hired by the New York Public Interest Research Group, a nonprofit organization that promotes consumer, environmental and government reform. He became a full-time organizer at City College in Harlem, paid slightly less than $10,000 a year to mobilize student volunteers.
Mr. Obama says he spent three months “trying to convince minority students at City College about the importance of recycling”
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Ah, yes. I am starting to see how Obama’s work history DOES compare favorably with that of Romney, and may even exceed that of Gingrich who, after all, spent so much time as a teacher, which can hardly qualify as a “real job”.
@Amy
Obama has 1 year more in the private sector than Newt. That doesn’t impress me with Obama, it makes me wonder at Matt’s support for Newt. It seems the mark of a partisan hack to apply a more stringent standard to your opponent than to yourself. If having a REAL JOB was important to Matt for Obama it should be so for Newt as well.
Golly, you found an ex co-worker that says Obama embellished. Newt has an ex-wife that says Newt is a dishonest pig. Since
In the real world, most people have envious co-workers but not spiteful ex-wives claiming they wanted open marriages. Congratulations, once again you have shown that Newt is unfit for office.
baldork
bardolf January 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm #
@Amy
Obama has 1 year more in the private sector than Newt.
that was already proven to be a lie in a post above on this thread.
Neoconehead
No it wasn’t.
I am not saying that Obama has never head a “real” job but by your standards I would have surpassed his “qualifications” by the time I was 12 with my two years of an afternoon paper route (delivery, collections, and paying of my vendors) or maybe by 16 after I had 2 years in as a dishwasher and right-side short order cook at a grill. After that was a gasoline station (still full service at the time) & mechanic before the Marines So what does constitute a “real” job?
dbschmidt
me too
Being paid for your time.
see above
quibbling over how many angles can dance on the head of a pin…nice deflection.
blah blah he ran a lemon aid stand so he was REALLY “employed”, ya de ya and fit to be POtuS because of this “business experience…….Ha!
neo68
How many angels fit on the head of a pin, not angles. Though much derided the angels on the head of a pin question is important.
It is not about 3 vs. 100 angels as you might suppose. It is about a finite number say 3 vs. infinite. The question gets at the heart of whether angels are material beings as we understand our physical universe. If they are material beings in the common sense the answer is finite if not the answer is infinite.
Why is it important to know if angels are material beings? Because, if they are created, but not material as we reckon material the entirety of creation is much more glorious than we imagine.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life.
you are the “mathematician” I meant ANGLES, equilateral of course.
please answer accordingly
(Mick Ultra)
Don’t you realize that we will judge angels?,?i>
I JUDGE the ANGLES to be Obtuse.
Neoconehead rewrites the bible!
My only point was to show Bardolf, Mitch, and the rest the idiocy of their “argument” but they could not even understand that so I leave it up to the viewers to decide.
baldork
Riiiight
and ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, wright a crazy uncle, resco a neighbor he hardly knew, faracan a close buddy of his crazy uncle…..etc etc etc
He’s been president for over 3 yrs now. That’s a job. She can’t stand the fact that he’s president. I’ve yet to meet someone in real life who is as snide and cocky as her. Must be a defense mechanism. “Look at me! I’m a business person. I have well thought-out ideas! And everyone who disagrees with me is intellectually inferior and lazy!”
Business person. Big whoop.It’s what you are; your character that matters. Not what you do and Ama’s intolerance and condescending attitude which she wears like a badge of honor is a character flaw.
Bmitch
Noooooo she calls stupidity, ignorance, and BS what it is, Like my self I have very little room for Morons spewing vitreal, lies and garbage.
3 years into his apprenticeship (that has been a disaster) is a job for sure, in between the golf, lavish partays at the white painted house and vaaaaacations.
We are talking PRE his apprenticeship.
By HIS OWN words……ROOKIE!!
bomberBmitch
Business person. Big whoop
how about sharing who you are and some of your credentials and accomplishments? Mr. top 5%er.
I AGREE 1000%
The one charge not dropped was a charge of claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes.
Hmmmmmmmmm
charley wrangle, mad maxxxine, je$$e jr ?
geitner? bwany ? etc etc etc.
read it and weep
http://www.biography.com/people/newt-gingrich-9311969
More of Obomba’s “national security force” at work…just wait until nov.
Thugs attack cabbie, passenger
BY STEPHANIE FARR
Philadelphia Daily News
IN A HORRIFIC assault in Center City on Saturday night, three teenagers who were spouting racial slurs pulled a man out of a cab to beat him. And when the cabdriver intervened to stop the assault, the teens turned their rage on him, police said yesterday.
About 8:25 p.m., a cab was stopped at a red light at 15th and Chestnut streets when two 17-year-old boys and a 15-year-old boy approached and started calling the male passenger in the back seat racially derogatory names, police said.
The boys then threw an unknown liquid at the cab before they opened the door, pulled the passenger out and started to pummel him, police said.
Police said the three teens were black and the cabbie and passenger were white. Police did not immediately know whether the teens would or could face hate-crime charges.
Of course NOT just some of holders “people” having a lil fun.
Holy Hillary
Did Michelle Obama Really Spend $50,000 on Lingerie in ‘One Shopping Spree’?
Update #2: The White House is now denying they story. (They dont sell saddles there or granny panties for BIG butts)
@Clueless, once you have to qualify things with “private sector” and “one year” you have lost the argument. Colin Powell was career military but would make a fine president. Are you going to argue that the military is a private sector job? Again that 1 year private sector experience is 1 MORE than Newt.
Coming from someone who lives in the ivory tower, I can see how one year of real employment impresses you. Rational people? Not so much. And Colin Powell would make a terrible President.
Thanks for playing stool.
Clueless
Teaching isn’t a real job either? Are you envious of my ivory tower position?
Colin Powell would make a helluva lot better president than Fig Newton.
but the COLIN isnt running, well maybe bwanys version.
Are you envious of my ivory tower position?
Hands on ankles?
Nah
Ama, I’m guessing Detroit automakers nearly failed at least in part because the govt was subsidizing gas guzzlers when the American people were wanting smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. I don’t think unions dictated either the kind or quality of cars that were being built; those were corporate decisions made badly, on the basis of conservative attitudes (speaking not politically but in terms of resistance to change).
Please explain how “it was Obama and the feds who were the vultures” in the auto industry bailout. How did the feds “feed off the sick company”? Who personally enriched themselves in the process? Do you really think GM and Chrysler should have been allowed to go bankrupt in the fashion Mitt Romney wanted them to, at a time our economy was reeling from the worst blow since the Great Depression?
Mitt said, “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye… its demise will be virtually guaranteed.” As it turns out because of Obama’s comprehensive plan GM and Chrysler were able to reorganize, countless thousands of jobs were saved (not just the carmakers themselves but also many manufacturers in the supply chain), the economy was spared a devastating blow, GM once again became the top-selling carmaker in the world in 2011 and Chrysler paid off $7.5 billion six years ahead of schedule. So much for Mitt Romney’s business acumen vs Obama’s.
Speaking of silly rants you quite ignore that it was Rick Perry who brought the term “vulture capitalist” to define Romney, not the “RRL” whatever that is. And you have no rational basis for linking Saul Alinsky with Socialism or Communism – you’re just mindlessly echoing a right-wing meme designed to tar Obama by association with a name arbitrarily picked as a bogeyman. In fact George Romney, Mitt’s very conservative daddy, consulted with Saul Alinsky on civil rights matters in 1967 when he was the Republican governor of Michigan. There’s no accounting for the sneering condescension and hate on display here.
Wow, even your first sentence is drivel:
Ama, I’m guessing Detroit automakers nearly failed at least in part because the govt was subsidizing gas guzzlers when the American people were wanting smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles.
dennis, the majority of Americans NEVER WANTED smaller vehicles, in fact SUV’s are the leading selling vehicles and the reason why Ford has done so well. It’s the government that has been pushing fuel economy. Are you really this thick??
Do you really think GM and Chrysler should have been allowed to go bankrupt in the fashion Mitt Romney wanted them to,
Yes, and if you actually understood bankruptcy laws, you too would agree. Furthermore, GM still OWES TAXPAYERS hundreds of millions of dollars, union legacy costs still hurt the company and the Chevy Volt is on fire, and not in a good way. Meanwhile, Ford, who continues to sale F150′s (not exactly a smaller, fuel efficient car) at a rapid pace, and never took a bail out, is doing very well.
Let me guess dennis – you live in an urban area and rely on public transportation, right?
Or a bicycle ….
HUH ?
WTF X1000
And you have no rational basis for linking Saul Alinsky with Socialism or Communism – you’re just mindlessly echoing a right-wing meme designed to tar Obama by association with a name arbitrarily picked as a bogeyman. In fact George Romney, Mitt’s very conservative daddy, consulted with Saul Alinsky on civil rights matters in 1967 when he was the Republican governor of Michigan. There’s no accounting for the sneering condescension and hate on display here.
no condescending, hate, sneering……just insane useful idiots and dumbed down drones regurgitating marxist leftist garbage.
bomberBmitch
Bwaaaaa ha ha ha
As far as my employment history, I am paid for my time, my experience and my skills.
so is the newspaper and shoeshine boy…..
MOTESAH ?
Neo never actually uses any reasons in his arguments, rather he dismisses out of hand all rebuttal’s through the use of derision. He portrays himself as someone so preoccupied with his own certainty that he can’t be bothered to actually defend his opinions and in this classic defense is the presumption that he is more qualified than anyone to know “the truth” and therefore it is a task to spout words like “morons, lies and garbage” because its’ a reactionary response to stereotypes, it’s mindless and it’s cognitively lazy. To compound the issue, he links to websites with no credibility, ideas that have that no substance and vulgar, crude and ignorant presumptions.
He is a racist of the worst order. And this website encourages him. Sad.
As far as my employment history, I am paid for my time, my experience and my skills. I do not begrudge anyone for being financially successful as long as they don’t cheat or exploit others. But when someone makes money from having money and they then claim that they can relate to the guy who gets up everyday, follows the rules and does what he (or she) must in order to support themselves and those that depend on them, I am a bit skeptical.
In this election yr, Newt has exposed himself as what everyone on the right is saying about him and the more they point it out, the more his behavior in reaction to it reinforces their perspectives. Someone earlier sarcastically said that Andrew Sullivan wasn’t a conservative. Well neither is Newt. Nor is Romney. Who will be the nominee and will loose. And after he looses, maybe what’s left of the Republican party will exorcize the religious zealots, the movement conservatives, the socially intolerant and the teaparty from the political party so that next time they will actually have a chance at governing in a way that’s productive. Not obstructionist, not promoting economic anarchy by protecting the ultra wealthy and actually caring about the country as a whole. Not getting rid of a black guy who they think cheated to get elected.
Mitch,
Let me start by asking you how you believe neo is a racist – is it because he opposes Obama? Because you might recall that neo is also a huge Allen West & Herman Cain fan. So just curious.
Re: the rest of your post – the elections of 2010 ushered in a new young conservative movement, of which I am very happy with as is most conservatives. The MSM, democrats, and you are not and I get that, mainly because they are stopping Obama’s agenda, which they were voted in to do. Obstructing asinine policies is a good thing, of course those are the policies you said were “productive”, which made me laugh.
Mitt is conservative enough for me to support him and will help turn the tide until a more conservative President can be elected – ie: Marco Rubio. I am however amused by your premise that liberal policies are the only policies that “care” about our country. Juvenile attitudes like that hurt the process.
And it’s LOSE, not LOOSE
In a Facebook post this weekend, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin defined the GOP primary as not a battle between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney but one between “the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on.”
She acknowledged that Gingrich was far from a perfect vessel for the Tea Party movement, but called the tactics the establishment used against him the last week as nothing short of Stalin and Alinsky-esque.
She made the point that the GOP establishment was fiercer in their attacks against Gingrich than they were against President Barack Obama and rightfully asked who the GOP establishment is running against.
amen to the circular GOP firing squad.
neo is also a huge Allen West & Herman Cain fan. So just curious.
and Condi Rice among others,
I want West as POTUS and Rubio as VP.
and Saaaaarah? wellll I am married LOL
“I want West as POTUS and Rubio as VP.”
Don’t know about that Neo, do you think Mr.West is a good compromiser? Do you think he will cross the isle and work with donkyrats enough?
Wouldn’t we be better of with the more
moderatesquishy former Gen. Colin Powell?Colin Powell?
isnt that the part that attaches to the lower intestine?
bomberBmitch
I post a lot of articles, many state what I believe (not all) and written better than I can say in my own words so they stand.
A HUGE raaaacist? LOL
Because I am NOT one, I am FREE of white guilt and able to point out the HUGE duplicity and hypocrisy by the left including barry HUSSEIN, wright, king zulu, shabaz, faracan, Je$$e, Al, the SCLC, and many many many more racist and race baiting people and entities.
The very fact there is the CBC, black colleges, associations, awards, etc ad nausium is hugely racist in their own right…….
I am not afraid of controversy because I have a clear conscience. I have been raised, schooled, worked, served, church-ed, & paled, with, and are friends and neighbors with Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Also had a black man in my family…so all your accusations are pure BS.
I went on a job last week and some guy was screaming at me thinking I was walking somewhere I shouldnt be. A young Black man walked up to him and said something and the guy walked away.
Later I asked what that was all about?
The young man 27-28 yo said, when he saw who this guy was yelling at he told him I was his Boy and STFU I belonged where I was.
The young blacks on the job call me POPS and all like me as well as I them. I dont take any BS from them and give them none we respect each other.
NEXT LIE?
Cluster I’ve lived in a rural area since 1981 and driven Subarus since ’83 – I need 4wd to get up my mountain in the winter. I used to drive Ford pickups but quit enjoying burning up gas money needlessly a long time ago. Consumers tastes have been changing over the last 20 years, I said “in part” above (reading comprehension again), fuel economy was hardly the only way the big three went off the rails.
Chrysler paid off early and GM doesn’t look in danger of defaulting. You’re fixated on the Chevy Volt for some reason but that hasn’t kept GM from dominating in sales worldwide – see http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinemaynard/2012/01/19/gm-is-back-in-the-auto-sales-drivers-seat/
The Chevy Volt was a liberal driven product that is failing big time, much like the entire Obama regime, and that is the reason for my mention. GM pushed a lot of product onto dealers and counted them as sales, so those numbers are a little askew, but that being said, GM is regaining market position because of the volume of product they make, a volume of which dwarfs most other car companies. And their ranking was not a result of a tax payer bail out either. GM could have reorganized just as easy by filing bankruptcy, and that would have also saved tax payers a lot of money. I don’t know why you support tax payer hand outs to corporations.
And I will remind you that Ford, which continues to thrive off of F150′s and SUV’s, DID NOT go off the rails, so try and gain a little perspective.
dennistooge
but that hasn’t kept GM from dominating in sales worldwide –
but yet they went BANKRUPT and STILL ARE, why do you think that is dennisstooge ?
maybe this ????
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GM program gives laid-off nearly full pay
By Reuters | November 30, 2005
Dean Braid does not have a job, but the 49-year-old auto worker is not unemployed either.
The Michigan native, who once helped develop the V6 engine for General Motors Corp., was laid off after about 20 years on the job — yet he still collects his full salary.
”I’d much rather be working, doing what I enjoyed doing,” Braid said. ”But things could be worse, I suppose.”
Braid is one of thousands of US autoworkers who, instead of working on engines or installing car parts, spend their time doing crossword puzzles, watching movies, or doing community service — and keep getting paid by GM’s jobs bank program.
The jobs bank was established in 1984, during contract talks between the United Auto Workers Union and the Big Three — General Motors, Ford Motor Co., and Chrysler Corp. The program guarantees pay and benefits to union members whose jobs were eliminated due to technological progress or plant restructurings.
Some analysts estimate GM has about 5,000 employees in its jobs bank, but the auto giant does not disclose figures. However, according to a four-year labor contract GM signed with the UAW in 2003, the automaker agreed to contribute up to $2.107 billion over four years.
That’s INSANE!! F**K the unions
The money is running out out. Soon we will be Greece. Is there any doubt about it? Which candidate will stop spending our money like it belongs to him? In my opinion Mr. Romney will not only not quit spending our money he will keep on spending more of it.
The leftys will put up a big stink about how horrible it is to not fund every cowboy poetry festival and and art show out there and Mr. Romney will cave in the name of compromise. Cave in the name of reaching accross the isle. In the name of this is not the hill to die on. Cave in the name of this is not the battle to fight.
Whatever.
Mr. Romney is no threat to the welfare state. In fact he will expand it.
Mr. Romney is no threat to the welfare state. In fact he will expand it.
And you’re allowing it to expand from your living room. So which is worse? And you know what they say about opinions.
I am allowing it to expand from my living room? How so?
By passively waiting for the perfect candidate rather than working with what’s in front of you.
Ahh, I see now. It is back to me destroying the country again if I don’t vote for whatever candidate the repubs throw out there. I accept responsibility for destroying whatever hope you have.
Better start working on your survival kit. It is looking more and more likely Romney will have a very hard time getting elected. Not that it is impossible mind you, just that it will be a very tough go for him.
What will he do when msm really starts tearing into him? If Mr. Romney is the nominee the repubs have already lost the biggest issue to hammer him with.
Does Mr.Romney have the fortitude to withstand a full 44/7 msm assault. Only time will tell. First he must get the nomination and that has not been decided yet.
Ahh, I see now. It is back to me destroying the country again if I don’t vote for whatever candidate the repubs throw out there.
That’s not what I said. Why do you have to rely on the repubs for anything? Are you not capable of finding and supporting the candidate of your choice? Are you involved with the tea party? Have you done any fund raising for your preferred candidates?
Democracy requires vigilance, not complacency. I will choose to work with what’s in front of me and hold them accountable.
GMB
The saving grace of the USA is that Neoconeheads like to breed and the Greeks haven’t had too many kids.
One can always tighten the belt, cut back on bloated health care costs, stop paying for the defense of Europe … Not having a generation of children is a permanent loss.
GMB is not exactly a ray if optimistic sunshine. Speaking of bloated health care costs – has anyone ever considered that since 1968, healthcare costs have outpaced inflation and has seen costs skyrocket much more so than any other service of product? Why you ask? That’s when government got involved.
Neoconeheads like to breed
heh heh heh
Neoconeheads like to breed? Hehe thats a good one. I must be a Neoconehead then, with the addition og the twins my wife gave birth to last november, we now have six children.
I would like for my children to grow up in a free country. That will not happen until the opposition party either starts opposing or thier place is taken by an opposition that opposes the progressive agenda.
Clueless
Government got involved in health care during WW2. Trying to be nice they put wage caps for what employers could pay during a labor shortage.
The employers turned to “benefits” to attract better employees. Health care became associated to employers, subsidized indirectly by tax breaks and soon every big company was also a defacto health insurance provider.
I would prefer socialized health care to today’s mess. At least companies could plan better for their growth and focus on doing what they do best.
January 30, 2012 – Romney Romps To 14-Point Lead In Florida GOP Primary, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has a 43 – 29 percent lead over former House Speaker Newt Gingrich among Republican likely voters in Florida, the nation’s first big-state presidential primary, according to Quinnipiac University poll released today. Only 7 percent are undecided, but 24 percent say they might change their mind by tomorrow’s election
Neo68, I like my Sam Adams slightly chilled.
I think I’ll go get the chicken poop Amazona recommended for the garden now! Thanks again!
baldork
Neo68, I like my Sam Adams slightly chilled.
It will be warm by the time u dig it out mule.
dennistooge
Born to Russian-Jewish parents in Chicago in 1909, Saul Alinsky was a Communist/Marxist fellow-traveler who helped establish the tactics of infiltration — coupled with a measure of confrontation — that have been central to revolutionary political movements in the United States in recent decades. He never joined the Communist Party but instead, as David Horowitz puts it, became an avatar of the post-modern left.
Though Alinsky is rightfully understood to have been a leftist, his legacy is more methodological than ideological. He identified a set of very specific rules that ordinary citizens could follow, and tactics that ordinary citizens could employ, as a means of gaining public power. His motto was, “The most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results.”
Alinsky studied criminology as a graduate student at the University of Chicago, during which time he became friendly with Al Capone and his mobsters
But Alinsky’s brand of revolution was not characterized by dramatic, sweeping, overnight transformations of social institutions. As Richard Poe puts it, “Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process.
The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.” He advised organizers and their disciples to quietly, subtly gain influence within the decision-making ranks of these institutions, and to introduce changes from that platform. This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
“Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp.”[4]
Alinsky’s revolution promised that by changing the structure of society’s institutions, it would rid the world of such vices as socio-pathology and criminality.
Arguing that these vices were caused not by personal character flaws but rather by external societal influences, Alinsky’s worldview was thoroughly steeped in the socialist left’s collectivist, class-based doctrine of economic determinism. “The radical’s affection for people is not lessened,” said Alinsky, “… when masses of them demonstrate a capacity for brutality, selfishness, hate, greed, avarice, and disloyalty. It is not the people who must be judged but the circumstances that made them that way.”[5] Chief among these circumstances, he said, were “the larcenous pressures of a materialistic society.”[6]</b?
To counter that materialism, Alinsky favored a socialist alternative. He characterized his noble radical (read: “revolutionary”) as a social reformer who “places human rights far above property rights”; who favors “universal, free public education”; who “insists on full employment for economic security” but stipulates also that people’s tasks should “be such as to satisfy the creative desires within all men”; who “will fight conservatives” everywhere; and who “will fight privilege and power, whether it be inherited or acquired,” and “whether it be political or financial or organized creed.”[7] Alinsky maintained that radicals, finding themselves “adrift in the stormy sea of capitalism,”[8] sought “to advance from the jungle of laissez-faire capitalism to a world worthy of the name of human civilization.”[9] “They hope for a future,” he said, “where the means of production will be owned by all of the people instead of just a comparative handful.”[10] In short, they wanted socialism.
Lets hope for a brokered convention and this is the man they draft.
Now that I can support – I love Marco Rubio and hope one day to call him President. And how about this GMB, I think Rubio would be the VP for Romney – that’s also why I currently support Romney
If romney wins fla then the nomination and does not pick West or Rubio he will not beat O. He needs the black or Hispanic vote and either of these two will carry him.
remember mittens lost to mcLame and even Palin couldnt save him.
Tomorrow will tell us a lot.
I’ve been following this blog longer than some of you have been posting. What I witness are academic arguments about impractical methods of governing huge masses of people, the promotion of economic anarchy, a fixation on the civil unrest of the early ’70′s and the idea that morality should be legislated. Lately some of you have been worried about the breakdown of society because of just whom is the president. I read in jaw-dropping eye-spinning incredulity a defense of a war based on lies, the denial of climate change and the questioning of settled biological science. I’ve read an awe like admiration of political figures who’s answer to every geopolitical problem is to drop bombs. I’ve seen people make fun of diplomacy, being educated and expecting those who have benefited the most to pay a teeny tiny bit more than the rest of us. There are some here who believe that any social program is the equivalent of armed robbery. During some of the debates when the audience cheered that a sitting governor had lacked the ability to reflect on the death penalty, when they cheered that letting a person who lacked even the most basic health care should just be left to die and when they booed an active military member….someone who fights a war most of you take delight in because hes’ gay and had the guts to come out live on TV, I thought of this website.
Is that really the impression you want to give to the general public?
Because if it is, it’s failing faster now than screen doors on a submarine. Romney and Gingrich, besides destroying themselves, are baring for all the world to see just what a shambles the Republican party has become by exploiting the extremists that Wm. F. Buckley warned about. Ronald Reagan, a man who is a deity to the right, would not be welcome in today’s party. The unprecedented disrespect shown to Obama, combined with the chaos the 2 candidates are fomenting and the lack of cooperation in congress is pissing off the public. A consequence of this is to paint the President in sympathetic light which combined with his oratory skills and his actual record will all but insure his reelection. This isn’t some wild-eyed statement I’m making, it’s been repeated for the past several weeks by conservatives!
We’ve got the head of the RNC comparing him to a ship captain whose lack of judgement killed people. (The only people I know of that Obama had killed are terrorists.) We’ve got Allen West saying he should be impeached over his economic philosophy. And then, on a more personal level, we have Neo who has deluded himself into believing that he is not a citizen, that he is a secret Muslim, that he smokes cracks and gives head. This, along with comparing him to an ape and praying for his death. I’ve come to the conclusion that very few of you have any ability to be logical and reasonable. You have an ideology and damn it, you’re going to stick to it regardless of fact. Fortunately, there are very few of you.
bomberBmitch
then try the Ko’s or huff po. They welcome leftist loons there.
“The unprecedented disrespect shown to Obama,” Not even one tenth of the disrespect liars like you had for GWB. The rest of your post, just pure garbage.
Don’t like what you read, go somewhere else, no one will miss you at all.
bomberBmitch
most of you take delight in because hes’ gay and had the guts to come out live on
he was Boo’d because we take delight that he is a homosexual?
when I introduce my self I NEVER start it out by identifying the position I like best in the bed room….why would anybody ?
BECAUSE it is an AGENDA, a STFU in your face identification to stifle any decent.
Very much like the race card.
It may work in in the cubicles of corporate with the metro sexual castrodi who work there but it dont fly in Rio Linda with REAL men and women.
This, along with comparing him to an ape and praying for his death.
you mean like THIS?
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushchimpanzee.htm
hmmmmm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96024429@N00/5162188427/
bush = Chimpy.
barry = *O*chimpy
we are just carrying a tradition you Morons had in place for 8 years, suck it up you have 1 more to go before WE sing.
Na Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Goooood BYE !!!
mitch,
There just isn’t enough time to address your drivel of liberal half truths, and brain damage. Suffice it to say that if you could somehow untangle yourself from the litany of liberal talking points and objectively look through a different political prism, you might just gain some clarity. I am not holding my breath
” and when they booed an active military member….someone who fights a war most of you take delight in because hes’ gay and had the guts to come out live on TV”
And once again the bomber shows hes has no understanding of the truth. I could point out that audience bood the question not the questioner but that would not fit bomber mitch’s narrative.
Once again though the bomber points out why he is a progressive. He needs his betters, he needs the political elite to tell him what to think.
he needs the political elite to tell him what to think.
IE
a useful idiot
a drone
WOW talk about……….
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1536438769729&id=f1ba6fe03dcc4b6f2266d240a3daebf5
barry and the “dreamers”
http://i.imgur.com/XQ5lK.jpg
Not only CLUELESS, but CLASSLESS
A President who uses his bully pulpit to mock and taunt Americans, who incites his followers to be confrontational, creates an atmosphere of incivility and violence.
Obama To Supporters: “Argue With Friend and Neighbors Get In Their Face!” video
Obama Mocks Fox, “Teabaggers” video
Obama Mocks Republican ‘Armageddon’ Rhetoric (Again) video
Obama: Police Acted ‘stupidly’ in Scholar Arrest video
Obama On GOP Running On Repeal: ‘Go For It’ video
NRA: Barack Obama – “bitter gun owners” video
President Obama, No One in Arizona is Laughing video
Obama, during his private pep talk to Democrats, … asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.” – Nov. 7, 2009
Obama Attacks Americans – Says Those Who Support AZ Law Are “Anti-Immigrant” (video)
Obama uses knife/gun fight quote to fight the GOP – “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.” (video)
Obama Tells GOP “Get In Back” (video)
OBAMA TO LATINOS: ‘PUNISH OUR ENEMIES’ (Youtube audio-vid)
As Debt Ceiling Skyrockets, Obama No Longer Calls Bush ‘Unpatriotic’ for Increases
Fox News ^ | 1/30/2012 | fox news
As President Obama prepares to raise the debt ceiling — after the Senate waived its opposition last week — $5 trillion hikes evidently are no longer “unpatriotic” as Obama said they were in 2008 while describing former President George W. Bush’s $4 trillion increase over eight years.
The White House requested authority earlier this month to raise the debt ceiling to $16.4 trillion, up $1.2 trillion from last summer and more than $5 trillion from the statutory limit of $11.3 trillion set in October 2008 before Obama took office. The debt at the time Obama entered the White House was $10.6 trillion. The ceiling was raised to $12.1 trillion within a month of his inauguration.
Such increases used to be anathema to Obama, who voted in March 2006 along with all his Senate Democratic colleagues against Bush’s hike of the debt ceiling to $8.9 trillion.
At the time, Obama called raising the debt limit “a sign of leadership failure.” Out on the campaign trail in July 2008, he suggested the move was downright un-American.
“The problem is that the way Bush has done it in the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion from the first 42 presidents. No. 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome. So we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back. $30,000 for every man woman and child. That’s irresponsible, that’s unpatriotic,” he said.
They (members of the audience) did not boo the questioner, Megan Kelly. Nor did they boo the respondent, Rick Santorum who did not react as he tried to claim that gay’s are destroying the military. And they did not boo the question for if they did, it would be a show of support to actively servings gays. They boo’d the soldier which is a demonstration of abject disrespect for members of the military which is a fetish of the right. Nice spin though.
bomberBmitch
that gay’s are destroying the military.
they ARE and this country.
Unprecedented disrespect? LOLzer get a friggen clue. You mean disrespect like this?
http://s1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff363/G_M_B/?action=view¤t=bush_nazi_hitler.jpg
Whatever the bomner says. Had any luck remembering that number yet?